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Offline Tizzy  
#21 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2014 1:15:09 AM(UTC)
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It is action packed.

There are a few more things going on this next time around. First book was a bit tame...

More demons, more avatars, more wizards, more gods, more magic, more trouble...
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#22 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 12:46:28 AM(UTC)
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Tom will be caught in a web of lies that those around him told. For some reason everybody think most of what he says is a lie. A ploy to lull them into a false sense of security. He will be so confused and use improvisation to work his way out of many situations. Also could he use his linkamancy to complete unbind or reverse his blackbar so that he will control the wizard, or so that a wizard won't be able to bind him even with his true name. Sounds like valuable knowledge that can make him wealthy and not on a demonic hitlist. Even if disliked people will tolerate you for benefits and the possibility of being unbound or in control of a wizard sounds like something a demon might value.

Also even without a link to Astlan a demon with enough astramancy or spaciomancy would be able to travel to Astlan even without a proper connection, so demons could still visit. Tom clearly has some skill as he could hijack a summons, so he could expand on that, and Len can obviously do it with ease. Tom displays signs of being either a genius, prodigious, or really desperate mana wielder. You can do what you believe you can and panic tends to either make you reach for more or shatter you. Tom is proactive and goes further when pressured. For some reason I think people will question his true age because of his skills, actions, and Rupert. He should probably just steal the book at some point just because I want to know what it says. It will then either give him great power, or he will just burn it to solve the problem. I really want to read the beta and I am currently thinking of 3 main progressions in my head with various deviations. The book was really addictive. You have great ideas Tizzy.

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#23 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 12:54:06 AM(UTC)
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Yep...

Except I think stealing the book is going to give him more problems than he wants.

Even more people will be after him. Right now, Lenamare doesn't want anything to do with him, and the Peanut Gallery may be intrigued by him but they have no reason to go after him, particularly since he's a huge unknown. They will want to keep their eye on their prize...if he steals the prize, then suddenly both Lenamare and the Peanut Gallery will be after Tom.

Tom would just like to get a grip on things as they are for the moment. But he's got a hostage, Rupert and well...plenty of people to tell him how pissed the Rod and Tiernon are likely going to be.

Oh, and the Oorstemothians want to ajudicate "Lord Edwyrd" to permanent death by this point.
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#24 Posted : Tuesday, July 22, 2014 12:56:39 AM(UTC)
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Yahhhh! Tom with really like to vanish at some point or another. Such a jumble of chaos isn't really good for a person's mental health, demon or not. Why does trying to stay out of trouble lead Tom to it?

Tom might need to kick some ass again. Talarius' would have some followers that would like to save him from Tom's grip. Which means, maybe, more knights in shining armor. Well, at least, if that happens, boredom wouldn't be a problem for Tom. Time for him to practice his martial arts skills, doing katas and so.

Being Tom's master, Lenamare might be gathering rather unpleasant attention from everyone especially the other master wizards. People would like to know more about the demon and would likely drill Lenamare for that. They might even force him to summon the demon. Really, the demon brings more problem than anything else. Poor Lenamare.

Damien and Gastrope might also be also in a great deal of distress. They know Tom/Edwyrd's secret and seeing how dangerous a demon Tom really is (or so they thought), great deal of imagined punishment would terrorize them for fear of breaking that promise of secrecy.

As for the book, I had a suspicion as I stated in another topic. It is very likely.

There really a lot of interesting things going on with this book. You can read it many times and not be bored. Great book.
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, July 22, 2014 10:17:42 PM(UTC)
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Thanks the author guy hogs all the credit but it's really my story...

Yes a huge number of possibilities.

There is an old Chinese Curse: "May you live in interesting times."

I am thinking it might be better stated as "May you live in a novel."

Of course, the worst thing would be to live in a TV Show/Movie and be a supporting character (particularly if you have a red shirt). At least the stars know they're going to live...

...unless that TV show is based on a book by George Martin, in which case, all bets are off and we are back to, "May you live in a fantasy novel."

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#26 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:40:16 AM(UTC)
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People want war when at peace, and they want peace when at war. The twisted minds of humanity.

I feel blessed that my life isn't in the either end of the exciting spectrum but I know it won't last.
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#27 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:13:56 PM(UTC)
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Yes, and they always remember what a great time they had, after that miserable experience was over.

I think humans, twisted creatures that they are, thrive on adversity.

Ever notice how many die very soon after retiring from their professions? They die of boredom. (Actually this is statistically true)
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#28 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:12:34 AM(UTC)
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It seems we aren't capable of balance and satisfaction. We don't seem to get content. Sad thing really. I had read a lot of stuff about this but the ideal just seems imposible to achieve.
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#29 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:44:37 PM(UTC)
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Yes, the only option is to move to the Abyss, take a job as a Demon and work hard to give humans what they want: strife, uncertainty, war.

I.e. Happiness.

I have to say it's been very fulfilling for me.
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#30 Posted : Saturday, August 16, 2014 6:30:41 AM(UTC)
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So what instincts do a Demon have?

They really don't have any real needs so are they controlled entirely by human desire unconstrained from a human body that would constrain them with physical emotions and limitions, or does their demonic body have certain behaviors hard wired within it.
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#31 Posted : Monday, August 18, 2014 10:43:23 PM(UTC)
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Yeah, well this is complex.

I will point you to Tom's struggles with his demonic nature.

Wrath: Fits of rage/anger/destruction,
Lust: We like sex. A lot. And violent sex at that.
Gluttony: We love consuming things, trying new experiences and always over doing it.
Greed: We love accumulating money and treasure, and for a couple reasons: 1 to feed our Glutton and 2, keep others from getting it.
Pride: We are all ego maniacs, at various levels. Of course the higher levels have more Pride/Ego where as the lower level demons have:
Envy: Demons are extremely jealous of their possessions, and we always want more (see Greed and Gluttony) and we get really wrathful when others have more than us, or have something we want.
Sloth: We are also fundamentally lazy. Most demons don't feel too inclined to do much more than what we absolutely need to do to satisfy our other instincts.
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#32 Posted : Monday, August 18, 2014 11:09:56 PM(UTC)
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I will point you to Tom's adaptations so far

Envy: Seems to envy those who aren't in mortal peril.

Greed: He doesn't have much...yet

Gluttony: Hasn't messed with this much as he doesn't need to eat, but appreciates that he now eating most things without dying.

Lust: Still a virgin and not looking yet, but he has displayed pride in his new manhood or his third leg as he first called it.

Pride: He's young and this will grow with time and experience.

Sloth: He got bored of his cave within a week and seems to enjoy practice, as it gives him something to do, increases his odds of survival, and he only sleeps when he has to.

Wrath: Fits of rage/anger/destruction, he has adapted to his new found lack of conscience with surprising gusto and seems to enjoy his power. He dwells on it from time to time,but has viewed it as a non-issue.
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#33 Posted : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 12:52:38 AM(UTC)
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How... common... cliche... typical?

In my assessment:

Wrath: Well, demons seems to be trigger happy when it comes to violence. Tom is quite disapointed because of his rather violent behavior.

Lust: Tom seems to have a amazing control over his sexuality, though he does have no sense of modesty... like children, they love running naked you know.

Glottony: Well how can a demon be a glutton when they get hungry or even the desire to feed? They also don't seem to consume much fluids or anything material. Demons seems to be free from this form of sin.

Greed: A common trait associated with dragons, hoarding gold and all. Tom seems to be immune to this, he is even damn broke and don't seem to mind it much. Other demons also doesn't seem to have much interest with treasures except when necessary.

Pride: Aside from Lenamare, other characters seems to have quite typical level of pride. Even Exador seems to be less inclined to this. Ramses might be quite showy and extravagant but he seems to be more of sticking to the traditions of Pharaohs than doing it out of ego.

Envy: Now this i didn't see in any demons so far.

Sloth: With Exador's dedication for getting the book, Ramses feat of nearly enslaving Astlan, and Toms rather dedicated protection of his newfound friends; demons seems to be very capable of diligence. Many demons though has hedonistic streak but innactivity seems not to be a problem.

From what I can see, Astlanian demons seems to be a creature of Wrath and Violence... as are Dragons creatures of greed and Satyrs creatures of Lust. So if their is a struggling that Tom has with his demonic nature it is with Wrath and not with the other six.
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#34 Posted : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:04:40 AM(UTC)
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I know, but I just felt like stretching things a bit. The demons seem to be devoid of most of these sins, and wrath is typically acquired from being ripped from their body and forced to submit to the will of a wizard that uses them as a tool and punishes them if they resist.

They indulge so rarely in the activities needed for the other sins that in comparison to humans they might be on the less sinful side. The lack of sleep and dreams does lead them to try to do something as seen by their ever shifting city.

The demons do posses some similarities to humans, but their like humans that were distorted. I am curious as to how the humans can compare to the demons. The demons have eternity to polish their skill, and yet are still not capable of standing up to humans in some instances despite the fact that they should grow over time, while humans will die at the age of 200 if they are really good tops.
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#35 Posted : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:44:59 PM(UTC)
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Well, as for common...they are the 7 Deadly Sins after all.

All of which are ascribed to Demons by Humans. I was just restating common knowledge.

Yes, we can agree that Tom is a pretty shitty demon. He's getting a failing grade on that front.

Rupert's even worse.

A note on Gluttony, it's not just food it's over indulgence. Demons in the Courts do this a lot. Witness Boggy after killing his accursed master, this level of indulgence is not usually limited to AM slayings...if demons have the cash, they tend to drink it.

Some demons are also drug addicts, but I don't know any personally.

And we definitely overeat when we get the chance to eat our AM's.

Envy is mainly the purview of the lesser demons and imps, they tend to be very envious of their betters. We just haven't seen any.

Exador and Ramses definitely have Ego's we just haven't seen it yet, since we've only had snapshots of their personalities compared to Lenamare. As you will see Lillith and Asmodeus have some Ego going for them as well.

We will see more of that in Book II

Of course, does one have a big ego, if one really is nearly a divine being in terms of power and one's ego is simply realistic of one's abilities?

For example, Lenamare will tell you that people only think he has a big ego because they are too dimwitted to fully understand his phenomenal skill and knowledge.

Once you meet that new, annoying, untrustworthy, disreputable, lying, scheming Incubus in Book II you'll see Demon Lust.

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#36 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2014 5:25:57 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Maou Go to Quoted Post
So what instincts do a Demon have?

They really don't have any real needs so are they controlled entirely by human desire unconstrained from a human body that would constrain them with physical emotions and limitions, or does their demonic body have certain behaviors hard wired within it.


Going back to the question, I got the impression that Demons dont have built in instincts.
Only aquired behaviour.
The Lv. 1-3 are violent because of the almost constant torture they are under from their wizard masters.
4+ are scheming because they are old and bored, etc.
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#37 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:24:44 PM(UTC)
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Yeah, that's basically true.

However, many semi-recent demons often report more feelings of anxiety, depression and sleeplessness combined with mercurial moods, violent rage, fury, bloodlust and general desire to smash things, than they'd had in their previous life. I.e. they often report feeling like a "worse person" and then stress that the job might be getting to them.

Now, how much of this is demonic influence/instinct and how much of it comes purely from "the job"/being enslaved and imprisoned for all eternity, etc etc.

Hard to say, I suppose. Maybe they just need better anti-depressants, Abilify anyone?

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#38 Posted : Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:58:41 PM(UTC)
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Well, I hope it would be, you know that thing about sequels.

I'm kinda not interested in that character in Book II your talking about. That character seems 2 dimensional and overall unpleasant. Well, at least the others should compensate for that.

Still looking forward to it.
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#39 Posted : Thursday, August 21, 2014 7:59:15 PM(UTC)
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Which character are you referring to as 2-dimensional for book two?
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#40 Posted : Friday, August 22, 2014 12:46:03 AM(UTC)
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Ditto. Who?

Although, I'm not sure I'd call them "characters"...many of them are my friends after all.

I can assure you they are multi-dimensional when you are standing next to them.

If they seem flat, it's that loser of a writer I hired doing a crappy job.

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