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Offline Tizzy  
#21 Posted : Thursday, May 29, 2014 1:42:32 AM(UTC)
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That's an interesting theory!

Hmm, that would explain some of the freakiness about that river....

I'm going to need a volunteer to test this theory with.

Anyone?
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#22 Posted : Sunday, July 6, 2014 7:37:38 AM(UTC)
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I volunteer DevilHeart77, as intelligent as he is, he will be able to make a few observations before being crushed. Out of curiosity in many works necromancers have some form of soul meld spell. It is very simple and forces two different souls to merge as one, normally resulting in insanity. What would happen if used on two demons, demons are often viewed as insane by mortals, but often with various forms of insanity. I ask because if the river is some form group conscious it will not be doing much as most of those people will think of themselves as powerless and damned.
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#23 Posted : Sunday, July 6, 2014 7:34:00 PM(UTC)
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You are really starting to make me rethink crossing that river.

It gets creepier every time you guys post...

I think I'll stick to flying way WAY above it.

Haven't heard much from DevilHeart77 about volunteering. I wonder if his buddy Nick could get his soul of the Styx...

I think it seems like a really good experiment.
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#24 Posted : Monday, July 7, 2014 8:37:13 AM(UTC)
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The theories here are getting weirder and weirder.

Soul being absorbed by the river sounds very much like the 'Gia' stuff in that Final Fantasy CG Film. Well, if there are souls in the river couldn't mage/wizard/demon sight see them? Wizards seems to be able to see souls. Also shouldn't mana be still attached to the soul or something?

Never heard of soul meld spell. Wonder if necromancers of Astlan could do it. Still quite impractical a spell if you ask me.
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#25 Posted : Monday, July 7, 2014 11:39:45 AM(UTC)
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The spell is most often used between a soul entities such as a lich. When a lich encounters a lich or other undead creature that has managed to overcome death like a possessor that moves from host to host this spell is used to make them effectively insane and useless. It is alot easier to render somebody else a non-threat in person than it is to find where ever their phylactery, that would be guarded. Also not all methods of soul preservation would be the same so if you encountered something similar it could take a long time to figure out how it animates and maintains itself. The simple solution is to just to neutralize the threat as opposed to its life. The purpose of a soul meld simplified, its to kill others like you for self preservationApplause .
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#26 Posted : Monday, July 7, 2014 10:55:05 PM(UTC)
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@ Maou:

Are you trying to insult me with that last sentence? It seems like you want me dead.

Well, I think you are not trying to, but a lot of information from body language and sound patterns doesn't really translate in text. What you communicate might not be what you want to say.

Well, for the rest of the message. Well, it seems too convenient a spell. It can essentially render almost any living soul harmless. It is very much like the 'render beautiful image' button in 3D CG or instant big muscles tablet or unbeatable god like hero (like Superman) in stories. Aren't there time delay needed to cast the spell? Aren't there some form of weakness in the caster when casting the spell? Don't it take too much energy?

Not to mention, there should also be some counter spells for it. It is quite unbelievable for people not to desire and create spells against it especially to a spell that dangerous.

Also why is it so easy to snatch souls from the body? Wizards seems to be having trouble binding Thomas, then why can necromancers do it with a snap of the fingers?
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#27 Posted : Tuesday, July 8, 2014 1:17:15 AM(UTC)
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Sorry I didn't mean you personally I meant it in the context of other soul entities. Their is a slight delay, but in Astlanian terms it would be some body who can manipulate souls, like a necromancer takes soul A, which would likely have little to no defense.

Soul A is normally prepared in advance, but it is the component soul if you would. Soul B is likely guarded or the target of the attack. Soul A will then be placed near soul B and will then be forcibly inserted. The two souls will then meld so that they will mix briefly between the two bodies before being pulled into the body of soul B. This process happens both ways. The process is also very painful and takes little time once started. If soul B seeks a new host it will still draw in soul A. It effectively forces a soul entity like a lich to choose eternal insanity or to move on. If soul B quickly moves on soul A will just go into a coma for quite some time due to foreign soul and missing soul bits, it recovers, but it is unpleasant.

It takes some prior preparation for the spell, but the two souls to be merged don't need to be selected till execution, soul entities are just chosen as the conductor as they could flee to the phylactery and resist or flee the pull with enough preparation or will. A non soul entity would have no defense at all and would be under the complete sway of the spell. Few people have real defenses against soul magic and this could be simplified to telling one soul its positive and the other is negative. If both entities were powerful they would likely be damaged but would survive after a long recovery time, but in most occasions they would both be destroyed as they were fused together. It is a crude and effective skill for decimating souls, and the more powerful the soul the worse the effects. At least from one of the mythos I read, but liches were the only thing that had them on hand as it took time to prepare, it took skill to prepare, and they used it on each other.

I'm not the best at in depth explanations of all subject. Due to my lack of knowledge of all things.

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#28 Posted : Tuesday, July 8, 2014 2:36:53 AM(UTC)
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Nargh...had a post was trying to screw with uploading an image and using the forum albums and lost the damn text.

OK.

Long and short of what I'd said.

I am not a necromancer, this is way beyond my pay grade.

However, I don't think it's that simple. First souls are animus collections, I think you'd run a serious risk of ending up with both souls leaking and getting dissipated into nature.

If you could merge, then you have the question of will they mix or are they water and oil?

Next you'd have to integrate the consciousness of the individuals, this would be a battle of wills and it's not clear that the instigator would win.

I think, that if you were to do this, it would be safer to use the biological animus manipulation engines built into the later races like humans. E.g. do a physical merge of the two bodies, then biologically assimilate the two entities which would be far safer. However there is still the question of who comes out supreme.

This then, led me to remember my travels on other planes, where in one instance, I ran into this rather unpleasant race in deep space.

Tall skinny grey skinned guys with big heads and tentacles hanging off their jaw. With these tentacles they'd consume the brains (virtually I think) feeding on the brain emanations: emotions, thoughts, memories any thing intense...they liked to stimulate the brains to induce strong reactions that they could feast on. Eventually they'd consume the entire consciousness of the victim, and then assimilate it into themselves.

I am not sure what happened to the brain dead bodies and any remaining animus...I don't know if they later ate those or what, or if there was any 'soul' left.

And being a potential 'dinner guest' I didn't feel like inquiring too deeply.

So...really a complex question.

here is a Mirror Image I snapped while on the bridge of their ship. The place was really dark, and I didn't feel comfortable using the mirrors flash spell, since they seemed to like the dark and I didn't want to be rude.

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#29 Posted : Tuesday, July 8, 2014 10:41:50 AM(UTC)
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Scary aliens! Are these creatures going to appear in the book?

As for the dark picture, why need a flash, you could just adjust the exposure settings. Also if your camera is advanced enough, you could just take a HDRI picture and adjust the exposure afterwards and even do some cool stuff.

By the way, isn't it dangerous in such darkness. With such uneven floor and those steps and such, you are very likely to trip over.

If you want some critique to your CG work, well that is a different matter.
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#30 Posted : Wednesday, July 9, 2014 2:29:18 AM(UTC)
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It was a small hand mirror, there are limits on what I could do with exposure without washing it out.

I doubt these fellows will show up in this book, possibly in a short story/side story...

CG work? Don't understand the term. Calibrated Glasswork? Captured Glassscape?

it's simply a mirror image I captured when traveling the outer realms years ago.
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#31 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 4:59:25 AM(UTC)
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Well, it would have been confusing if they land their ships in Astlan.

Is the guy in the middle a wizard? And what is with the brain in the right side? Such a big brain. It must have come from a giant.
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#32 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 9:07:47 PM(UTC)
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Not sure which guy in the middle.

There's the pilot in the chiar, who's a guy with a big head, there is a robot dude standing pretty stiff in the middle and there is the main alien with the tentacles. He's in a space suit uniform that has a cape...

The big brain is a snack, I guess. Actually, when they feed they first grow the brain massively so it produces more electrical energy and then start sucking it out.



Below is a different angle with better lighting.

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#33 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 10:09:39 PM(UTC)
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I think he's a wizard with the cape and other things.

The robot has a very big head and realistic face.

What are they doing anyway? They are going to invade a planet?

(critique to the non cg work: The alien's pose is off balance would have toppled over or is very uncomfortable)
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#34 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 11:49:52 PM(UTC)
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he's the commander of the spaceship.

The race are called Illithid's in some universes....

these are actually test renders for a series that was never done/finished/published/displayed At that point I was more interested in working with lighting and over all look, so it's nowhere close to a finished scene--we were talking about them, so I threw out the images
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#35 Posted : Tuesday, July 15, 2014 1:52:15 AM(UTC)
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Where did this image come from?
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#36 Posted : Tuesday, July 15, 2014 2:21:22 AM(UTC)
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From my mirror.

I snapshotted it during my travels on other planes. See how it's got my name and address on it down in the lower left?

What you think I don't take a mirror along to take pictures when I travel?
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#37 Posted : Tuesday, July 15, 2014 2:34:34 AM(UTC)
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Where do you keep things. You have no clothing, and have exhibited no magic talent beyond what is normal for a demon of your caliber. So where would you possibly store a mirror without tarnishing its surface?
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#38 Posted : Tuesday, July 15, 2014 2:37:26 AM(UTC)
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I don't know if you've realized it, but I have four arms, and two backs I can carry 4 suitcases and two backpacks....
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#39 Posted : Tuesday, July 15, 2014 2:47:38 AM(UTC)
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You could, but you don't. It's a miracle you can consistently remember your name. You would likely forget your items somewhere and later be surprised when questioned later as to what happened to your equipment. This is based off of past history and what is found in the novels, and discussions.
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#40 Posted : Tuesday, July 15, 2014 2:58:53 AM(UTC)
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I can remember my name! It's....

Hey...wait a minute! Is this a trick to get me to reveal my true name?

Not going to work...

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