Could a demon power up if they're given (or take) the refined magic of a god? It could heal their animus and make them stronger. I'm assuming that their animus is damaged when they're turned into demons. It might just augment their animus. I'm pretty sure they can't, but can they rise in strength with age? I'm just really curious.

Thanks! That's all wonderful to know and to have cleared up. Lol. I was wondering about that in the first book. I read a lot of fantasy books and I was hoping for what your answers were. I think some of it was hinted at and some just makes sense.

From the explanations about animus and how demons are formed I inferred, (with my common sense of all things fantasy) that they are probably injured when first formed, which could take time to heal or be a permanent injury, I figured that the gods energy would heal that injury, and/or do something else since it's super refined mana with some type of focus/aspect/property (I assume) of this gods realm. And since it healed what would have been a permanent injury to his animus that would have been fatal, well, I just figured that the mana that healed Tom might do more than just heal that injury.

Lol. I really like this system.

I'm really looking forward to when the other demons find out Tom is only a couple weeks old! Lol

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Why? Are you planning on stealing my pipe?



There are some secrets no mortal can comprehend.

No demon in their right mind would believe Tom is only a few weeks old. It's as inconceivable as Demons being "Good"

Plus, if he's only a few weeks old, where did Rupert come from? I have never seen another demon so close to being an exact copy of another demon before; so they are clearly related.

Mana Weilders and aging: There is...somewhere a discussion of that, an excerpt/interlude I need to find that...

Mostly, but not always. Some people grow old without learning much. Think of animus growth as being tied to experience, life experience specifically. The more you "live" the more you expand your horizons, the more you learn, the more you "stretch yourself" the more animus you gain.

A lot of people have "experiences" the question is, did you learn anything useful from that experience? Were you able to progress as a person, a worker, an artist a whatever? Typically the more and varied experience you have the more you are able to use what you've learned from this in more complex ways, ways that "make you more powerful" than someone that didn't have those experiences.

It's not tied to "wisdom" per se, as if that were a "stat" but think of older people, some are quite wise, learned and experienced and can relate and use that experience in various ways, and share it and teach it. Think of the Guru on the mountain. On the other hand, there are some people who at 70 or 80 are still just as naive, ignorant and unable to deal with the world than they could as a kid.

If you were to write a game based on the books then you'd try to correlate XP and Animus in some fashion. but it's not exact because a game is just an approximation of what happens in the books and for that matter in real life.

So why are some people stuck their entire life at being a 5th level Electricians or Cab Drivers or Doctors for their entire life, but other people end up as 25th level Master Builders or Programmers?

Finally, never trust a human. They are always lying, promising not to hurt you and then torturing you for hours on end.

Only trust demons, we are the only reliable people in the universe. Except for Bess....that really hurt....

Tizzy

Another question:
Did it permanently change him somewhat? Like he registers more on an non demon spectrum?

The second sentence is also from an Demon perspective?
Because why would Demons think a Demon could not be good?


The constant torture and long live will condition Demons to hate humans.
But a young one who is powerfull enough to not get tortured...

So many questions...so many answers to with hold as torture!

Bwah hah hah hah...

Actually what gods are is a somewhat complicated question that will take at least 3 if not 4 books to work out...

BTW for your own safety Maou...I wouldn't say things like "if Tiernon was a true god" it's liable to get you a divine intervention...say a lightning bolt in an unpleasant location.

Also, given the way the gods like to cause misery for humans, particularly those of other religions...my suspicion is that Tiernon doesn't care what you were, so much as what you are now. Who's side are you on today?

--my perspective in those two sentences is sort of from the agnostic point of view: pointing out "facts" that in the minds of most are incontrovertible to "some" group. So the first is from the perspective of demons, the second wizards...i.e. everyone has preconceptions that get in the way of reality.

I think...across the board you would find (will find --if you've read the really long discussion on the author's author page at Amazon you'll know what I mean by "will find") that there is a pretty broad range of emotional responses from demons towards humans. Most from purely self interested points of view.

The good example here are the 3 ArchDemons in the peanut gallery for the "final conflict." They don't particularly hate humans, no more than you or I hate insects and assorted vermin.

Which is also the way that the very human Lenamare feels about pretty much everyone except Jehenna and himself...others are pawns/tools.

A huge part of book 2 is the fall out from that final battle...and how perspectives shift after a first set of revelations...i.e. we've now played the opening hand in the poker game. Did it change Tom? Does it change how others see and treat Tom? Where the "hell" did Edwyrd and Rupert go, by the way?

Tom already knows that normally animus attracts mana, but when summoning that wizards use mana to attract animus, so with all his excess mana would it be possible to attract greater quantities of animus, which could then be used to attract mana, in a loop format as he siphons mana from his surrondings. Also it was mentioned that mana is most expressed when feeling strong emotions and that necromancers like fear. Would a demon stealing a God's power cause enough people to fear him to gain a noticeable increase in his mana?
Demon's are just animus bound to a manabody, so if a mage could summon sentient animus and bind it unwillingly to a manabody, a demon should be able to summon non-sentient or excess animus in ones surroundings and insert it within themselves. People pick up more of simply by experiencing new things and travel, so it shouldn't be to hard to acquire.
Probably.

Animagic is knowledge used to aid natural talent, so would Tom's overwhelming talent in linkmastery allow him to fashion mental constructs similar to the arrows that would allow him to siphon mana from those around him like the priest spell, but to greater effect. Frankly those people are undying vampires who won't die because as you sustain damage they use your energy to heal themselves. While useful in weaker characters for fast growth they are monsters when fully grown. I mention this because I want to see Tom as blue or indigo for no other reason than the fact that none would believe talent would allow a newcomer so much growth so quickly. Also it would be interesting to see animagic mix like fire and earth for magma and steel, since they are often seen together. Also what happened to his energy blasts that he used to hit Lenamare?

Yes, the big question will be, will he be able to copy the workings of the Arrows.
And if not, will the Arrows work on priests/god connections of other faiths.

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So The Tomatic Demon can access Tier's divine power through his holy arrows . If he could emulate the blessings of a god he could then steal their powers. Most demon's don't grow more powerful with age for some reason despite the increase in animus that should occur, unless the abyss is so barren that their is nothing to pick up, and continuous torture allows for no new experience to be picked up. If so it would explain how weaker demons don't grow. Also the soul of a person is their animus. Everybody seems to think that demons consume souls to grow more powerful, so why don't demons consume the souls of those they slay to acquire; additional power, animus, experience, or whatever it is inside somebody's soul and whatever benefit it might bring to a demon. Magic is based upon belief and since so many people think a demon can corrupt and consume their soul why not consume their souls?
Demons are on a continuous spectrum of power so why don't more demons advance from 1 to 2, or 2 to 3, ...etc.

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