not just that.. the thing is, from my point of view, why does wizards in Astlan still exist?, it was "easy" for a 4th demon to "transport" 2 peoples and 1 demon out of the abyss and tizz could kill his master "cuz he wasn't bound by the summon orders, or something like that", even if he couldn't another demon could him "a favor" or something, cuz we'll...demons usually help demons if they can.
so... a wizzard only can summon "his" demmon if it's in the abyss, and he can't controll it if he don't know where it is. There are few hundreds of 4ts and hundred or so of 5th.. (without counting the 6th cuz, well, i don't know what/how they think)
why then, they don't go to Astlan and kill everything in sight?, rape womans, eat childrens, dunno whatever funny thing they could think? some could think that immortality is enough time to plan this.

:P

All of Rosver's points are valid reasons.

Plus, there are more planes than Astlan and many don't have as advanced of defenses.

And not all fourths can transport that many people.

But also...the demons are rather parasitic. They need goods and services and the Abyss doesn't have a lot of natural resources. So most demons who can transport stuff physically (vs fade in fade out) prefer to make money and accumulate power by being traders/importers.

Further, most of the demons capable of such travel have been around for quite some time, or are pretty smart to begin with.

Sure, mass slaughter is fun for a few centuries, but ultimately boring and not very fulfilling. Particularly since humans die a lot and aren't much of a challenge.

BUT....and this is critical for BOOK 2....and it really trumps all other reasons....all the previous are just excuses used by archdemons and princes.

The reality is this:

There are Gods.

The Gods depend on their worshipers on the Planes of Men to maintain their rather exorbitant lifestyles.

So the Gods protect their worshipers.

if demons start raiding the gods' mana generators, they will come down and start kicking ass.

And between the gods and their avatars...well...that's not a fight a rational demon would want...

Well I can say that the prospect of such a thing happening has the Carpet Club shitting bricks.

Tizzy is referring to the three arch demons.

I thought demons were agents of chaos who utilized logic and reason in a rational manner only a demon could understand, but demons and other power hungry individuals have been around for a long time, so shouldn't their be some god slaying artifact lying around waiting to be used to empower somebody with the power of their chosen sacrificial god? God's are powerful, so powerful in fact that they have few true threats, so when faced with a genuine threat many might simply fold. I know many in power dislike the prospect of losing it and will try to avoid it. Their are weapons designed to harm demons so the reverse should be feasible as well. It's what I would have done if I was a powerful demon. Kind of the penultimate manner in which one could flip off the divine. Most fantasy settings have one lying around somewhere in a forgotten and secure location as the gods dislike having mortals know they have a weakness as we tend to find and then try to exploit said weakness once known.

Humans think that demons are trying to corrupt them and overthrow the gods, so why not do it. Go agnostics. The gods only grow more powerful as time passes by, while demons grow less slowly by comparison, so either spread a plague/ global cataclysm that will ravage the population, or kill the gods now and forever sunder their boundless faith. If a god is killed their faith will be shaken, and if all are killed any new god will forever hold a kernel of doubt within their followers. They will be shown to have limitations and demons will be able to take their place as the masters of man. The god's will no longer protect the names of their followers and we can summon the souls of mortals in any form we desire. We can rule the mortals forever from the abyss as their existence on Astlan will turn into a living hell, and then into purgatory once more as people adapt.

All the stories say that good always manages to win in the end and that evil is vanquished. Quite frankly if I am a demon I want to win said conflict. In reality their is more apathy and evil exhibited than good. People like good things that happen to them, but wish for evil on their enemies and competition. People also rarely help others at even a tenth of all times they could. Clearly evil should be more powerful, but everybody likes to thing their the good guy. Quite frankly I believe a true doomsday should lack hope for good and should simply give way totally to power. Their is more evil so we should win. No need for traitors as our conditions will improve without gods and quite frankly they can't be trusted. Why leave somebody who will turn on you eventually alive when you can side with somebody who might simply ignore if you make yourself less threatening. (Demons act differently on a case to case basis)

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It's about time, and you better not make us the better people. We should be petty and morally inferior or equal to those we subjugate. Those with the moral high ground should lose due to their self imposed restrictions. In reality evil triumphs over good and then rewrites history to portray itself in a better light. Clearly a book that reflects this aspect of the world would be a great read from the winners perspective.

I am able to get it now?


Well the winner write the history...

White font should be ignored by Tizzy

Why were you chosen to present the history that will be known by future generations? Even in story you can't remember past history well. Shouldn't their be at least be somebody more competent/ qualified/ deserving/ sane/ anybody else willing to share these archives of what will likely be a key event in the Astlanian timeline. You seem to have lots of important business to conduct with Boggy. Not sure what it is, but you did mention that you were partners.

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