Demons could all still be sane. They may have a different perspective due to their longevity and nature, but their decisions still seem to be overly rational. If anything humans would be insane when compared to a demon. Human actions are quite erratic, demons are acknowledged as to being quite rational. Those who are insane by human definitions normally have a broken psyche or warped emotions. Demons are more machine like in nature. They still have emotions, but when compared to a human the fluctuations often seem to be less intense and shorter. An enraged demon will quickly reel in its anger and not blindly charge in. It might attack that which enraged it, but they will do so in a rational manner. Humans in this setting from an object stand point are insane.

Insanity is the state of being seriously mentally ill or madness. It can also be defined as extreme foolishness or irrationality. Rational beings would try reason or understand the reasoning of all other beings. A belief that all members of another sentient race act in one manner is highly irrational. Magic really does make it quite difficult to be entirely rational as ones perception of reality affects it just as much as reality itself. The collective perception of reality by all sentient beings also affects magic to an extent as well. Most demons that still live are highly rational, as are the Oorstemothian, the scary thing is that both groups tend to be frighteningly sane. So sane that to others they appear mad. Their approach to sanity is somewhat different as demons tend to be individuals and the Oorstemothian have somehow developed a way for humans to almost recreate a hive mind.

Emotions are one of the greatest forms of insanity. One who can control their emotions are sane. Demons and Oorstemothian who have impeccable emotional control, as they are driven by logic over these emotions are more sane. Not saying either are completely sane, but it is an interesting thought.

That's from a human perspective. All organisms will often view themselves as the norm. A mindset differs than the norm is often view as a form of insanity. Well some are viewed as more sane, but most are viewed as less sane. We are demons their for demons are sane and foolish human mortals wallow in their own madness. We pretend to be mad for amusement and when we don't the humans react poorly to demons acting rational, thinking we'll try to trick them into doing something morally reprehensible. They can do that without us. I swear most of the worst things they've done and blamed on demons was either started by a demon and then perpetrated much longer by other humans as the demon had other things to do, or was something they blamed on a demon. A human could never do ______ so a demon must have made them do it. So human to blame something on demons. I swear they just use us as scapegoats to justify their own actions. If we are so bad, why do they keep summoning us. If they stopped the demonic plague to their world would end. Sense they haven't done this they clearly need us for some reason which they fail to express. I know I would never summon a physical manifestation of what I perceived to be pure evil. That screams bad idea.

OK, seeing two more open topics...at least one of which has a lot of discussion...will get those tomorrow for reasons listed earlier and because I am being distracted by this Estrebius fellow who's a friend of Boggy's and has some crazy proposal from his accursed master for Tom...talk about cheeky...

Also that stupid incubus is playing with his toy again...need to tell him it's not polite...I don't trust him one bit...you shouldn't either...

This cave sucks...

@Maou:

I was also mulling at using object links for the same purpose. Object links is also quite much better as you can put the objects in strategic positions and they can have multiple number of them.

That is ridiculous. A demon could just open a physical gate between the abyssal plane and Astlan and then just walk through it physically. Powerful demons could hide their presence, and wizards are not as competent as they would like to think. They are quite competent in some fields of study, but in fields that involve things such as demons, which is built on false assumptions and beliefs, they find research lacking. When the basis of the system, which is deemed an absolute truth is wrong, it makes it near impossible to truly grasp what is going on. They can get closer, but that fundamental error makes it quite difficult, complex, and lacking.

Most demons are bound to a wizard and this can be tracked, or a higher leveled demon can just hijack a summons. Any demon on astlan can make portals with great accuracy into the abyss. A demon with astralmancy or the wizardly equivalent could also probably navigate the two planes with little difficulty.

Well. It is quite implied that Tom's ability to trace the binding is unusual.

Hmm. So the strong demons could pop between the two worlds no prob. That reminds me with the issue of Ramses playing the piano. That scene could actually be in the Abyss. How could the piano work there. Piano lovers would be horrified with the abuse.

It probably just dessipates.

I don't have much knowlege about this so I think I have nothing to comment.

You don't need a potion. Just need a script or program. It is easy really.

As we are talking about mana. It seems, as the book imply, that plants has mana too. Are plant mana the same as animal mana? Also, is demon mana very much the same as human manas? People can't seem to tell a demon pretending to be a human from real humans.

Also, could people somehow use plant mana to do magic?