Let me restate my argument, most ancient gods in Earth history were forces of nature. Some where quite human, some were petty, some where noble, but most were seen as the lesser of two evils as they were often opposed to something worse than them and their presence was often seen of as comforting to the people, modern culture however has spawned numerous obscure pantheons based upon the vague concepts of good and evil. Good deities have angels and evil deities have demons. If only gods exist they are often seen as good and opposed to the evil demons. Sometimes the line is blurred, but angels are normally good.

Powerful demons and most demons in general are quite paranoid. They will observe weaker demons and eliminate if deemed a threat. Demons will however ignore demons who are not a threat to them or in their sphere of influence in favor of those who are in opposition to them. If another demon might bother them in the future they might eliminate them, or they might do it cause they can. However rank 4 demons tend to ignore demons of rank 2 or lower unless they have something that interests them. Most attention is given to those near them in power and those of greater power than them. They will also try to kill those who annoy them, like Lilith with Tizzy. She mentioned it but keeps forgetting to do it.

To sum it up the Old Gods of our world were not good or evil, but the lesser of two evils and either forces of nature, or extremely powerful supernatural beings. Modern gods in modern pantheons are this and often have a moral alignment with some good, evil, or neutral, and chaotic, orderly, or neutral. Old gods would likely mostly be neutral/neutral, or close to that. Modern gods tend to be rigid in their alignment. Old gods were fluid in their alignments. This is about polytheistic religions and I will choose not to delve into the monotheistic religions as that screams bad idea and a long debate with that one zealot who happens to find that obscure post. Gods with fluid alignments and humanish personalities are old gods and gods with a limited defined and rigid method of interaction with mortals is most likely to be found in modern pantheons.

I will elaborate more later if needed.

I emphasize city. A city requires a lot of trust in the population for it to stand. In the absense of trust would cause violent anarchy would issue (like say in the Los Angeles riots). You might as well see the city burning to the ground.

Using fear punishment/death is not a very stable way to manage a city/empire. You can just look at history to see. This is especially more true, if the demons could actually just leave the city as Tizzy says. Leaving the city and live alone, or stay in the city and have your life be under the whim of the authorities... it is just a no brainer. LEAVE!

Especially problematic in this situation if (ultimate) death is used. Demons have very low birthrate so if there is something that killing demons off, soon the number will greatly dwindle. If the number dwindle so much then the necessary manpower to maintain the city would not be achieved. This would cause the city to fail and become unlivable, even to demons.

Another is that, there would always be rebelion if a population is ruled by fear. Sooner or later, someone would become foolish enough to retaliate. It will always not be overtly but covertly like say sabotage. This is a great inefficiency that a city is not likely to handle. Elevators keep breaking, buildings would collapse, the road would be covered in mountains of garbage and debri. And if the authorities are trigger happy to put others to death, demons would be constantly killed left and right. Demons would actually just decimate themselves.

Also add the other sytems that requires or actually based its function in trust. Economy, the heart of every city, based its function on trust. Money, trading, businesses, ownership, capital, etc. required trust to have meaning. In the absense of trust, this systems is just busted. Law enforcement, City maintenance, Taxation, Utilities and others all requires trust to function. Scruffles and violence has come up because of these.

It's this necissity of trust a city require, and seeing the the demon city is triving, that makes me conclude that Demons do trust each other a lot. Not as much as humans trust each other, but plenty enough so that a city of that size could actually be standing. Any less, and the dynamics would just be unrealistic. It would seem as if the city is maintaining itself instead of the demons (especially the lower ones) doing the job.

Actually, it already seems unrealistic. The modern conviniences, the skyscrapers, the businesses... when it seems the whole demon population is rather narcissistic and hedonistic. I even wonders where Boggy get his money... or who is making the money in the first place. These things just requires cooperation and trust to create and maintain. Who is maintaning all these things anyway.

Edited by user Friday, October 24, 2014 12:08:48 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

When demons eat something where does the food go?

My point. There is a lot of trust going on.

Fear is fear. You can't get an emotion as primitive as that. Whether of death or pain, the dynamic would not change. A city ruled by fear is a short lived one.

Also a town has a very different dynamic compared to a city so your example might not actually apply. Sure such codes will work in a town where almost everyone knows everyone, but not in a city. Such a code is bound to break.

So there is really a lot of trust or things should have flushed down the toilet.

Speaking of toilet. High level demons would need a large one.

You don't need a sewer system for a toilet to exist. A septic would hold the waste.

Though, a sewer system is very important in a city, if it needs to keep sanitary. Though in a demon city, sanitary issues from lack of working sewer might not be a problem.

Eh? You don't do that in a city. A toilet (or the low tech chamber pot) is really needed to not disturb the neighbors.

As for smelly stuff, try thioacetones, ethyl mercaptan and butyl seleno-mercaptan. Or at least try sulfides. Now those are worth running away from.

Edited by user Friday, October 31, 2014 2:07:59 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Well, those chemicals are said to have hell of a smell, demonic, demon's fart, etc. It might not be quite right to name it after demons... after all Tom still find nasty smells to be nasty, but no one can contest their malodorous powers.

Well, the two of us seems to be the one who talks much around here. I visit here about twice a week. You are probably the one I conversed with online.

By the way do you have any photos of Tom, Boggy and other demons? Also photos of Rupert, Jenn and other humans. I am trying to make a 3d model of them and some reference would be useful. Well, I could still make my models with the use of my imagination but its a fan art so I need to base my work on existing artwork.

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/1913507_1484457595170922_6651987704491008778_o.jpg

This is the full version of the strip image from drawcrowd, forgot it was posted on FB by T-A-G.

Ouch!

However, the purpose of a book's cover art is to attract attention, and it certainly attracted theirs...so it did it's job!

Hah! It's a fun discussion though. I like the cartoon!

T-A-G says he's going to pay for a traditionally illustrated cover for next book, and probably for 2nd Edition of Book 1