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Offline Tizzy  
#61 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 12:42:41 AM(UTC)
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For some reason...a series of posts I hadn't seen materialized between posts I've responded too.

Maybe my eyes are bad but I didn't see the Maou as Japanese for demon king/adversary....

I only speak Abyssese so didn't know that...probably should have...

What are you talking about future timeline? All this stuff happened in the past...20 years ago in fact!

You might want to recheck the timeline...

of course, if this really did happen 20 years ago, not sure how Paul got an IPod/music player to plug into his stereo...that would be

AnaChronistic if not purely AniChronia
Offline Maou  
#62 Posted : Saturday, July 19, 2014 6:22:47 PM(UTC)
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My prior post has been edited for clarity. I hope you can understand my better phrased thoughts.
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#63 Posted : Saturday, July 19, 2014 10:04:10 PM(UTC)
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Much easier...thank you for doing that!
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#64 Posted : Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:02:27 AM(UTC)
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If people are so interested in history, why don't they let the Seers scry it. They would provide a more accurate account of the past than rellying on the very unreliable brain for that. As it seems, Maelen and others seems to be a devote to the study of history. Maelen was able to recognize Ramses' time warrior uniform even if it was not seen for a millinia.
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#65 Posted : Tuesday, July 22, 2014 10:29:03 PM(UTC)
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That's actually an interesting point, for some reason everyone is always interested in having Seers peer into the future.

I think this is because they "think" they know history. I also sincerely believe that humans like to forget history, so they can repeat it...like watching reruns.

Maelen would recognize him, primarily because he's an official member and agent of the Society of Learned Fellows which was founded after the fall of the Anilords basically to make sure they never come back. Of course, by this point most people don't even think the Society still exists. No one in Norelon has ran into anyone claiming to be a member for some time (remember animages are secretive by default, particularly after the Anilords--the Society is even more circumspect--and their membership is way down)

The Society is really only openly active in Etonia, they sort of hold it together and keep it from being overwhelmed by New Etonia (which is dominated by the Etonian Churches (Tiernon and his fellow Etonian Deities) and the Holy Etonian Emperor...HEE for short..."HEE is displeased with your actions." etc.

And from devolving into chaos like Eastern Free Eton...

So, in short, it's part of his job to be on the lookout for returning Anilords and such.

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#66 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 6:24:00 AM(UTC)
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So is the book some form of monkey's paw? If you don't know what this is look it up and learn a little about culture and folklore.
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#67 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:31:44 AM(UTC)
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Mokeys's Paw! Very creepy story. But wait... isn't it a short story? As I remember it is an award winning short story not a folk lore.
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#68 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 6:22:24 PM(UTC)
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It's a trope that appears multiple times, but most of them are called to as monkey's paws. They give you exactly what you wish for at first. Each successive wish is twisted and normally ends poorly. It can also be used to convey of meaning that what you want is not what you need.
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#69 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:20:05 PM(UTC)
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This Monkey Paw guy sounds like a great Dungeon Master, or maybe a Djinn.

Either way, I'd like to meet him. Sounds like my sort of fellow.

Which book do you think is owned by Mr Monkey Paw? The book in the book, or the book this forum is about.

Of course, what if they are the same thing?

What if Lenamare's book is actually: Demons of Astlan (The Complete Works, all 83 volumes)?

And thus by opening it, they will be able to read their own future and the future of their world, and that of the Abyss etc etc.

Offline Rosver  
#70 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:38:34 AM(UTC)
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It is a short story. I made a goggle search and here is a Wikipedia entry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkey%27s_Paw

It was published in 1902 and has been parodied and adapted many times. I was wrong about the award winning thing but it is popular. I remembered that xxxHolic (anime) has a "monkey's paw" episode:

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#71 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:13:43 AM(UTC)
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A short story?

You mean like less than 100,000 words right?

Angel

The Author Guy says he remembers the story. I of course, have never read it. I don't even speak British, let alone read it. Boggy does though, maybe I should get him to read the story to me.

I thought monkey's had little hands though? Not paws? Perhaps a wish gone wrong for the monkey turned his hands into paws?

Hmm...

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#72 Posted : Saturday, August 16, 2014 5:51:28 AM(UTC)
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So what other branches of animastery is Tom likely to learn? He's experimented with some things he's viewed as useful. Also some Mystic Martial Arts thats been briefly experimented with but just a fist projection so far and no body strengthening or enhancement.Brick wall

Will he also learn other forms of magic?

Wizardry takes awhile to learn and he doesn't seem to have any desire to study it in the present beyond how he can break it.d'oh!
Bardic wizardry? probably notBoo hoo!
Conjuring: without protection which makes it much simplerApplause
Necromancy? know idea, could help him better grasp how demons are formed and acquire knowledge about himself as this is what occurs to demons, but without religious connotations other than it being wrong to drag souls back to the world of the living and forcing them to be subservient to you is bad. But it is would detail how demons are made.Think

Divine magic, just no.Angel

Druidic? He can already see the energy around plants and animals, which are scared of him, but draining the life force out of the surroundings for energy sounds both extremely demonic and pragmatic.
Also Animistic druidic magic sounds like something an animage could both learn, manipulate, and appreciate.Dancing

These are all just theories but animistic druicic magic, more animagic masteries, and mystic martial arts seem like the most probable things for Tom to learn in the near future. Necromancy seem like something demonic and could possibly allow a demon to further understand how their body works and possibly how to modify it.

I am pro-soul-altering transformations that lead to incomparable pain and increased power. As true strength can only be obtained after hardship, pain, or suffering. It brings out the best in all of us.
I also think of tom as a balor at most times.

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#73 Posted : Monday, August 18, 2014 5:32:14 AM(UTC)
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Wizardry is 'easier' than Animagic, but needs time.
So he will learn it after the books :D

Conjuring and Necromancy are a subspecies of Wizardry (and maybe Animagic).
So depending if its doable with Animagic it might happen in the books-timeframe.

Necromancy would be interesting for him, because he may get around the Demon Wards if an body is enough to shield him from them (demonic lich!). And it would allow him to get more powerfull, if he could bring himself to consume Animus from people.

Druidic is an good idea, he allready did something more difficult by stealing God power. Getting nature power should be more easier.
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#74 Posted : Monday, August 18, 2014 7:37:51 AM(UTC)
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Knowledge is power, but then Tom is terribly lacking in knowledge about magics though he seems to get lucky with some of them. Where would he get the knowledge though. If he teach himself and through trial and error, he might produce some quite unique and interesting magics that might never been seen before.
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#75 Posted : Monday, August 18, 2014 2:05:49 PM(UTC)
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Wizardry requires knowledge and study. Animagics is more about talent and study. Wizardry is closest to a science, while Animagics is a craft. Magic can be progressed most quickly with practice and not being killed by a problem with their magics. As a demon Tom can practice longer with magic than a human could as he would have a greater mana pool and a faster mana recovery time. Also as a demon it is much harder for him to die. Since he can have things blow up in his face and survive, he really can do things that others couldn't. Magic is also based off of imagination and he will have thoughts that others don't as he lacks magical knowledge and thus doesn't know what isn't impossible.

Most newly summoned demons would be panicking after being summoned and would learn of magics from other demons and the wizards. The more powerful demons likely thought of new ways to use magic and showed others how to use it ages ago when they were young and had it disseminated by both the abyss and Astlan making them the pinnacle of their respective teachings. Progress comes from more rational thinking built off of whats known to the next most logical step, or it comes from a genius with a radical idea that isn't the next step and based off of something new. Tom has the power, the imagination, and just enough knowledge to use magic, but it might not be in the way in which others thought to use it.
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#76 Posted : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:17:49 AM(UTC)
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One thing that really hooked me was the vast possiblity ingerent in the magic structure that is lacking in most books. Tom seems to be in an adventure of discovery and invention. As a lovers of crafts and knowledge, this kinds of adventure is what I root for and desire most. The similar adventure of discovery that Einstien, Tesla, Newton, Edison, etc. have ventured.

Tom had already tinkered with magic and had some success already with stealing mana from a God, which it seems to have not been possible, or so thought. He might gather similar infamy as Ramses and his Time Warriors.

I really looked forward in what Tom would do with his magic abilities and the discovery he will find therein.
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#77 Posted : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:28:36 PM(UTC)
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Also I was curious as to what happens when a demon progresses enough down their continuum of power to achieve new rank as it were. A really strong 1st could maybe take on a weak to middling 2nd, but would lose to a strong 2nd. However demon ranks can be noted to some extent by their appearance, so they might on occasion rank up as some of the more powerful did in the past. If so do the demons then go through a metamorphosis into a new form with hints to their prior form, take on a new form, or remain bound to their original form?
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#78 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2014 1:10:48 AM(UTC)
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Yep yep yep on pretty much all that.

The only teachers he would have at the moment would be Maelen and Antefalken possbily Damien (but doubtful) and of course, the greatest instructor of all time. The Mighty Me Demon!

Oh an Boggy too. We shall teach him how to torture, mutilate and eat Astlanians. How to terrify small children, even more than we do now by default.

There is a plethora of information to be gleaned about secretly hiding under a child's bed and terrorizing it. Oddly enough, not seeing the monster under the bed is often worse than seeing it. if you see something, you can try to grasp it/encompass it/understand it. Something can't see, but only fear is there, is left completely up to one's imagination, and imagination is often scarier than reality.

Smaller to medium, usually they just grow bigger, wartier, scarier. At the higher levels, they pretty much stick to their older form and add more of their own choosing (e.g. shape changing--Exador/Ramses/Bess/Lillith/Asmodeus each have quite a few forms they can assume)

Wow, you've got me nostalgic. I haven't terrorized a child in a long time. I think I'll journey to an Earth and hide under some beds and be really spooky tonight!

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#79 Posted : Thursday, August 21, 2014 6:59:25 AM(UTC)
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So if a lot of demons choose to worship another demon, would it ascend to become some form of demonic god.
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#80 Posted : Thursday, August 21, 2014 2:00:56 PM(UTC)
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Maou, that idea is something that won't be explored in the books I guess.
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